The revamped new and improved edition of the ReGAIN, INC web page is receiving a lot of attention from people all over the world who seek solid information regarding the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi Movement. Congratulations, ReGAIN!
Expertize from former LC member is helping re-vamp our page REGAIN INC WEB PAGE BEING UPDATED AND TRANSITIONING TO NEW HOST/LEGION OF CHRIST & REGNUM CHristi
Dear Friends of ReGAIN, INC,
on Thanksgiving Day an old friend of the organization took a hand in solving a problem with our old web host and has been mighty successful. We are waiting for the changes to “populate” so the content of articles, opinions and testimonies can be readily and more efficiently available to the public.
Since we began our mission over ten years ago the Legion of Christ order and the Regnum Christi Movements have gone through scandal, upheaval, Vatican interventions and an Extraordinary General Chapter. We would like to think that ReGAIN’s efforts, the writings and testimonies of many analytical and sharp minds of former members, parents, family members and a wide spectrum of concerned Catholics have contributed to revisions, or at least some level of self questioning.
ReGAIN’s mission is to continue to insist, in season and out of season, that Catholics be aware of the true nature of these organizations and that Church authorities stem the infiltration of dangerous cult-like groups within the boundaries of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
[Forgive me if the considerations are very pragmatic but the Vatican also operates that way!]
THE VATICAN WANTS TO KEEP PRIESTS AT ALL COSTS BECAUSE NUMBERS CONTINUE TO PLUMMET
Disbanding the Legion would be a major problem; many of the priests in the Legion would be lost in the shuffle
[Former members tell us that many were ordained rapidly without finishing their studies and to fill some magical numbers that Maciel had thought out for image reasons and to impress Catholic Hierarchy and benefactors]
Many vocations in the Legion are not strong and would collapse without the Legion system that monitors their every movement
The Vatican cannot go back and admit that it made a mistake to approving the Legion initially in 1948 [the Monsignors were not there to hear Maciel guffaw about the way he had deceived them with the help of some of his sexually deviant Cardinals AMIGOTES
Stopping the Legion would reflect very poorly on newly canonized Pope John Paul II who had supported Maciel and the Legion until the very end. Cardinal Angelo Sodano and the Pope's Legion-bought secretary, now bishop Dziwisz -who was quickly transferred out of Rome- were mainly responsible for keeping the aging pope in the dark and preventing him from facing reality. The pope was treated like a Mediaval Monarch instead of the Executive Director of the Catholic Church.
HEAVILY CENSORED VERSION OF DISSIDENT'S REPORT from Cancun
"Fr Hubert Riner, German LC stationed in Playa del Carmen, was sent to NIGERIA, AFRICA: where he will be for 2 months...blogger does not know why he would be sent close to EBOLA. Reward or Punishment? Supposed to return in the New Year to Cancun...One imagines he will be in quarantine on his return.
It is reported that Frs. Jorge Morales, Adolfo
Flores, Benito Aguilar & Leonardo Nuñes are under psychiatric care
Jose Maria Sabin Sabin leaves Legion and Priesthood
Suspected LC Pedophiles living under the roof of Bishop Pedro Pablo Elizondo on Bonampak Ave in Cancun: (blogger suppresses names): JMP & JAB,
Deseased are former leaders Frs. Alvaro Corcuera y Jesùs
UNCENSORED: y la Legiòn al ridìculo en los medios
juveniles y de media cultura ante la indiferencia por las nuevas
constituciones que valen lo mismo que cualquier papel de baño porque a
nadie le importa lo que digan, Ni al Vaticano ni a la cupula legionaria
ni a los gobiernos civiles ni a los socios empresariales
from Chilean authorities which he has so carefully and assiduously cultivated for decades [just as Vatican authorities protected his protector, Fr. Maciel who had cultivated ...].
Fr. was convicted recently and is awaiting sentencing in November. THIS WAS THE VIEW EXPRESSED BY A FOREIGN OBSERVE
-WHICH BLOGGER TRANSLATES FURTHER DOWN.
Adjunto información para que
puedan valorar lo que con toda seguridad ocurre en estos momento en
Chile para encontrar una "solución" al caso del padre John O`Reilly que a
pesar del fallo de los tribunales NO ESTÁ EN LA CÁRCEL.
a algunas fuentes el padre John O`Reilly está en ARRESTO DOMICILIARIO
NOCTURNO. Subrao NOCTURNO. El asunto es casi de humor negro, pues
podemos decir que todos tenemos arresto domiciliario nocturno y en
especial los casados. En otras palabras se le impide su vida de Night
es harto benévolo el anuncio de una pena de sólo diez años de cárcel y
un día a quien ha obrado con premeditación, alevosía, ventaja y
no encontrarnos con algún término que suene más o menos: "considerada
la falta de unanimidad y ciertas diferencias en los peritos, y teniendo
en cuenta la precaria salud de ministro de culto John O`Reilly la pena
de cinco años de arresto la podrá cumplir en su domicilio debiendo
presentarse a firmar cada semana ante las siguientes autoridades..." VERY OFTEN NEWS ABOUT THE LEGION/REGNUM CHRISTI DOES NOT REACH ENGLISH SPEAKERS BECAUSE THE NEWS IS IN SPANISH OR ANOTHER FOREIGN LANGUAGE, V.G .ITALIAN, AND NEVER REACHES ENGLISH SPEAKING MEDIA AND AUDIENCES
.....John O'Reilly who is convicted IN NOT IN PRISON
HE HAS "NOCTURNAL HOUSE ARREST" WHICH MEANS HE IS FREE TO MOVE AROUND DURING THE DAY BUT HAS TO BE HOME AT NIGHT. MAY BE KIND OF BLACK HUMOR. BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE NOCTURNAL HOUSE ARREST, ESPECIALLY MARRIED MEN. IN OTHER WORDS FATHER CANNOT FREQUENT NIGHT CLUBS.
HE IS ALREADY GETTING OFF LIGHTLY WITH A POSSIBLE TEN YEAR PRISON SENTENCE FOR SOMEONE WHO WITH PREMEDITATION AND MALICE ABUSED AT LEAST ONE VERY YOUNG GIRL OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS....
WE HOPE IT IS NOT GOING TO END UP SOMETHING LIKE:
"CONSIDERING THE LACK TO TOTAL AGREEMENT AND CERTAIN DIFFERENCES AMONG THE EXPERTS, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PRECARIOUS HEALTH OF THE RELIGIOUS MINISTER, JOHN O' REILLY, THE PUNISHMENT OF FIVE YEARS OF HOUSE ARREST CAN BE MUTED TO A WEEKLY VISIT TO THE PERTINENT AUTHORITIES TO SIGN HIS PROMISE NOT TO FLEE THE COUNTRY...."
Just learned about this. See previous posts on this blog
The blogger is researching claims made by a Chilean digital news that Fr. O'Reilly, who was close to Pedophile Legion of Christ Founder, Fr. Marcial Maciel, was whisked out of Ireland in 1985 before he could be investigated for abusing minors....Being an international order and having lots of money the Legion often switches its members across the continents for its own "efficacy" (convenience).
What we do know is that Dublin born Fr. O'Reilly entered the Legion of Christ at around 18 years of age and trained at the Legion Novitiate in Leopardstown, later in Salamanca and Rome. While in Rome he was one of the privileged few to be Fr. Maciel's personal waiter. He, like many other naive Legionaries, during 6 decades, admired and adulated the supposed saint.
Fr. O'Reilly, on the heels of fellow Dubliner, Fr. Raymond Cosgrave, spearheaded the Legion's recruitment, fundraising and societal influence among Chile's upper classes, establishing the exclusive Instituto Cumbres school in a residential neighborhood of the Chilean capital, Santiago while socializing with the rich and famous.
He achieved prominence and power for the Legion culminating in his being made a Chilean citizen several years ago
Chile: Irish Priest Guilty of Sex-Abuse on Minor
SANTIAGO, Chile — Oct 15, 2014, 2:08 PM ET
An Irish-born priest was found guilty on Wednesday of sexually abusing a
minor while he was chaplain at a school in Chile's capital.
A court in Santiago said that the Rev. John O'Reilly committed the abuse
while he was the spiritual guide at the Cumbres school located in the
affluent neighborhood of Las Condes.
The families of two sisters had accused the priest of molesting the
pre-teen girls between 2007 and 2012. The court absolved him in one of
the cases. His sentence will be announced on Nov. 11.
"The court has established ... beyond all reasonable doubt the following
facts: that O'Reilly decided to carry out actions of a sexual nature
through body contact with a school student," Judge Maria Teresa
Barrientos, said adding that the priest committed the abuse several
times in 2010 and 2012 during school hours.
O'Reilly, who arrived to Chile in the mid-1980s and was granted Chilean
citizenship in 2008, is a member of the Legion of Christ. The
once-respected conservative order fell into scandal after it revealed
that its founder had fathered a child and had sexually abused
Prosecutors are asking for O'Reilly, who has denied any wrongdoing, to
serve 10 years in prison and be banned from any job near children.
The Roman Catholic Church retains a strong influence over society in
Chile, although it has lost credibility since 2010, when four men
alleged that they were abused by one of the country's most revered
priests when they were between 14 and 17 years old.
The Vatican sanctioned Rev. Fernando Karadima by ordering him to a life
of "penitence and prayer." A Chilean judge later dismissed a criminal
case because the statute of limitations had expired, but she concluded
that the abuse allegations were truthful.
Ever since the deceitful and harmful life of Fr. Maciel was revealed after his 2008 death, the Legion of Christ has struggled with the Fiasco of its Founder and the desperate search for a Charism. What do do about all the bad -some possibly evil, things Maciel and the Legion did to others? Besides making many excuses, side-stepping responsibility, there has also been some talk about "Making amends;" and I say "talk" advisedly.
Yesterday while browsing a book, I found some advice which I dedicate to my Legion confreres. (I will take it to heart too) and I wish they had put into practice. Without it asking forgiveness is shallow and self-serving (precisely what Maciel was!)
"The amends process, I believe, is a process of
Claiming our own lives,
relinquishing our defensiveness and
doing what we need to do to become right within ourselves.
Making amends is a personal act. We make amends for ourselves.
Amends are not made
to make others feel better,
to change others' attitudes toward us or
to elicit forgiveness.
(or get ourselves off the hook)
We make amends because we need to.
We make amends because we know that our recovery, our growth, our development cannot proceed unless we claim those things we have done of which we are not proud that have harmed others.
We need to own that we have behaved in ways that have been alien to our beliefs, morality and spirituality."
Adapted from Anne Wilson Schaef, (1992) Beyond Therapy, Beyond Science, a New Model for Healing the Whole Person, Harper San Francisco, page 8
much spiritual, social and moral suffering in the world, the church has
"no right" to stay locked up in an ivory tower, engaging in "byzantine"
philosophical reflection, Pope Francis told members of the Focolare
"We have to go out! So that -- I've said this before -- the church seems
like a field hospital," where the first order of the day "is heal the
wounds, not measure people's cholesterol. That comes later. Got it?" he
said to applause.
The pope met at the Vatican with 500 people from 136 countries; they
were attending the Focolare general assembly in Rome Sept. 1-28.
During the assembly, members re-elected Italian Maria Voce for a second
six-year-term as president, and elected Spaniard Jesus Moran Cepedano as
the new co-president.
In his audience with members of the movement Sept. 26, Pope Francis said
the new evangelization must go out to everyone, "starting with the
poorest and excluded," so they, too, may experience "hope, brotherhood
and joy in humanity's journey toward unity."
Focolare members, like all Catholics, can contribute to "this new season
of evangelization" by being creative in the ways it brings God's word
to the world.
This work demands "contemplation, going out, and formation," he said.
Just in case you were not aware here is a recent LC video of the Ordination of 25 Deacons in June 2014 in Rome
Hey, what's your problem with the corrupt founder and the coverup and the Vatican Investigation in 2009.10 and the Adminstration of Cardinal De Paolis, and the Extraordinary General Chapter
GET OVER IT!
Cultinfo, a Canadian group that monitors and studies High Demand Groups just shared an important article which illustrates the cultic elements in the Middle East Conflict. The concepts could be applied to all groups and companies, including the Legion of Christ in its more than 70 years of history: key elements have been a US VS THEM mentality, forbidden to criticize our group, the end justifies the means, etc
Academics estimate that there are
tens of thousands of new religious movements - often referred to as
cults - worldwide. The majority are said to be in Africa and Asia. Here
in Britain, it's thought there are between 500 and 1,000 new religious
movements, or cults - though some say that figure is a conservative
estimate. VoR’s Juliet Spare is joined by three guests - two of them
former cult members - for this in-depth discussion.
Juliet is joined by:
founder and current general secretary of the Cult Information Centre, a
non-sectarian educational charity based in London, England. He has
worked full-time as a specialist in cults since 1979 and is a former
who has written extensively for newspapers on cults and families
affected by new religious movements – cults – including an article for
the Times Educational Supplement in 2008 called 'Cult Watch' detailing the danger cults pose to young people.
Natacha Tormey, author
of ‘Born into the Children of God: My Life in a Religious Sex Cult’ and
‘Cults: The Bloodstained History of Organised Religion’. Natacha Tormey
was born and raised within The Children of God, a religious cult that
became infamous for its bizarre sexual practices and religious
doctrines. Natacha escaped at 18.
How did you leave?
“It was quite a long process, so the doubt started when I was 14 years
of age when most teenagers are starting their rebellious years, so to
speak. Obviously, on top of the usual teenage angst I had that
additional circumstance of being, living in a cult… At that time we were
in France – it was very difficult because we had to, kind of, hide
everything we did all the time. Live, but in secrecy, and never talk
about what was going on at home or that we were part of a cult. That’s
really when all of my doubts started.”
“As I got older,
going on to 16 – 17, I started to have a little bit more interaction
with the outside world and slowly I began to realise just how strange my
living situation was. By the time I reached 18, that was it…”
Did you have interaction with the outside world at any point in your time there?
“Up until the age of 13 almost none. So, in Thailand and the Asian
countries that we lived in, we lived in very big communes, sometimes of
100 – 150 people. Very much your typical compound community – you’ve got
very high walls, big security gates… It was a very well-run operation
in the sense that they managed to go unnoticed with these huge communes
living together. They didn’t actually attract that much attention, but
obviously, children weren’t allowed to leave the compound. When we did,
it was very rare and we would always be supervised by adults either to
go fundraising by doing shows or things like that.”
it [contact with the outside world] was very minimal for the first 13
years. And then when we moved to France. Obviously there you couldn’t
have those kinds of big communes – they would have been noticed straight
away. It was very small – usually just my family and then one or two
other people, so there was obviously more freedom. They couldn’t watch
us all the time… We had very small interactions and then by the time I
reached 16, I was kind of jumping out my window at night…”
were the questions you were asking yourself when you were there? You
started questioning your existence within this cult at 13 to 18 and at
18 you were jumping out the window, wanting to leave – was there a
catalyst for this?
NT: “Well, a
very key moment, obviously the doubt started slowly, was in 2000 when
they predicted, I think it was the third or the fourth prediction of the
end of the world… And it didn’t happen. We were all extremely afraid on
New Year’s Eve. We had a stash of food, we were prepared for Armageddon
basically, and yet again it didn’t happen. That, for me, was kind of
the final straw. That’s when I really realised that this is just all
lies and none of it is true.”
You’d wake up in the morning, and what would be expected of you?
“It would depend on which period we’re talking about. In Thailand,
where it was much stricter in those kinds of communes, all the children
were separated into groups and we all had very strict schedules. So it
was – you wake up, you’ve got ten minutes to make your bed and get
dressed. All the kids wore uniforms and whoever was looking after us we
would call auntie or uncle. It was just very-very regimented. Everyone
was marched downstairs in single file for breakfast. You had a certain
amount of time to eat and then everyone was marched back upstairs. Many
hours had been spent reading – either the stories from the Bible or
publications from the leader Berg [David Brandt Berg] or Zerby [Karen
Zerby]. In some homes you had school time which again is not really
school. Apart from learning how to read and write it was all based
around the cult leader’s theology and his beliefs. All of our education
about history and science was all according to the cult leader’s
version, with a lot of religion mixed in.”
Ian Haworth, what made you set up the Cult Information Centre and would you say it’s very widely used and known?
“It is known internationally and it’s very easy to find in the UK just
by going online. What provoked me to set up the centre is that I came
back to the UK in 1987 from Canada where I’d been doing this – I set up
the first charity of this kind there. So what really provoked me to get
into the field is what provoked me to set up the first charity in
Canada, which was called COMA – Council on Mind Abuse. And it was just
that I’d gone through a nightmare experience in a group. I’d only been
in a group for two and a half weeks and I managed to escape, thanks to a
journalist. It took me eleven months to recover and in that recovery
time the tragic deaths in Jonestown, Guyana occurred where 913 people
died following the orders of Jim Jones. I realised that that could have
happened to me. I could relate to those people...”
the Canadian media started to ask – is this a problem in our country? I
went forward and said – yes it is… That led to a lot of media coverage
and then my desire to try and be involved in an educational process to
try and warn people. That’s how it all started.”
You called it mind abuse. Is this something that we don’t really understand?
“Most people have no idea what constitutes psychological coercion or
mind control, or radicalisation. I’m using my terms carefully because
radicalisation, although it’s usually used in connection with terrorist
groups, it’s the same thing as what we’ve been describing as mind
control or psychological coercion or thought reform for many years.”
“People are processed to become terrorists. People are processed to become cult victims.”
my case, I was 31 when I was recruited into a group. I was theirs… I
was completely under their control by the third day. I mention this
because I want to emphasise how quick this process is. After just two
evenings and one morning on a course in Toronto – I was theirs. I gave
them all the money I had, dedicated my life to it and resigned from my
job. As you know, I fortunately managed to escape very quickly thanks to
a journalist helping me.”
Do you think in Britain, there is a lack of understanding of the techniques used in mind abuse?
“Well of course ‘it’s never going to happen to me’ is normally the
attitude. I think people that do consider what a cult might be assume
that it’s probably some kind of strange organisation that will be
visually identifiable, that a cult recruiter will therefore be obvious
when he or she approaches you, that probably the people that are
recruited are not very intelligent, they’re probably on drugs anyway and
people make all kinds of excuses as to why someone would join. What
we’re saying is that people don’t join, they are recruited instead. And
they’re recruited through subtle techniques and the techniques work and
work very effectively.”
“The easiest people to recruit
tend to be well-educated people. People with average to above average
intelligence and they think it would never happen to them. The safest
seem to be the very seriously mentally ill which isn’t very comforting.”
Lynne Wallis, what made you write about cults?
“It was a long time ago when I started actually – probably more than 15
years. I think I met somebody who lost her daughter to a group,
probably better not mention their name. Her daughter had been working in
a West End department store, she’d just left university, she was new to
London… I think this is a very common time for people to be recruited,
when they’re in a new city and they’re vulnerable, sometimes when they
just start university. She came one evening and said she’d been invited
to a women’s meeting at Wembley and it turned out to be a recruitment
fair for this particular group and very-very quickly she was sucked in.
This woman Betty, her daughter was receiving messages on her mobile, she
was being loved. She was being told she was awesome and within about a
month she’d lost weight, she wasn’t eating properly, she lost her sense
of humour… In other words, she’d undergone a complete personality
transformation. She’d really had her own personality sucked out of her
and everything had been replaced by values of this group.”
I met Ian Haworth and he put stories my way sometimes and I’ve written
and interviewed probably scores, not hundreds, but scores of ex-members
of groups, but also families who’ve lost sons and daughters.”
a journalist what would you say is the legacy you’ve witnessed that
these cults have had on individuals and families you mention? You’re
highlighting an issue – do you think it needs to be highlighted further?
“I think it does. I think awareness is very-very low. I think Ian is
absolutely right that everyone says it could never happen to me. It
could happen to anyone at a particular time in their lives when they’re
vulnerable. I think it should probably be on the curriculum – kids going
off to university, their parents warn them about STDs, drugs and
alcohol but whoever thinks to tell them about the damage these groups
can do? Even the parents think it can’t happen to their children.”
“I think it really is high-time that something should be done because this has being going on too long…”
“This is one of the things that we do. We go out and give lectures. I’m
spending an entire day this week at a school that has this on the
curriculum but as Lynne has suggested that’s not necessarily the norm.
But I do go around various schools and colleges and sometimes
universities to talk about this phenomenon. I sometimes speak to
professional groups as well because they’re losing people to the cults. A
lot of people imagine that the typical recruit is young but it happens
at all ages. Captains of industries are being recruited into cults as
It sounds like a very aggressive style of recruitment. Could you tell me more about that?
“Everyone that’s recruited is programmed to understand that this is the
greatest thing since sliced bread. Your critical abilities are now
severely impaired and so if the group says that two and two is seven, it
is and you excitedly share that with people.”
main goals seem to be to bring in money and to bring in people. It’s
quite normal to be sent out to recruit others. Now, if you were in a
cult that we would call a therapy cult where you stay in your job, then
you’d be doing that after hours and on weekends. If you’re in your
typical religious cult where you’re working for the group full-time then
you’re doing that [recruiting] full-time. You’re constantly going out
there and trying to recruit people usually by, unfortunately, lying to
them and misrepresenting what it is that you stand for. If people that
you’re talking to ask questions then you’ll be very vague all of a
sudden about what’s really going on because they just want you to cross
the threshold and then a psychological door closes behind you.”
Lynne was saying, you become someone else… It’s interesting we’re doing
Voice of Russia because I often compare this with Russian dolls. The
real you is now covered over by a new personality. That’s the outer
doll, if you will, and that’s the one that interacts with family and
friends and the world. The real you, however, the good news is, is
inside. Getting that real you out is another matter altogether and
there’s no guarantee that that will ever happen…”
“…And in this recruitment process I think quite early on anyone who
dares to challenge anything that is said by any of the leaders in one of
their brainwashing mind control obsessions, punishment and reward is
introduced. Someone will be shunned, maybe ostracised if they’d dare to
disagree. Obviously in any kind of healthy environment, perhaps in an
actual proper cosier religion, questioning is encouraged, but within
these groups it’s quashed very early on.”
Natacha, having heard from both Ian and Lynne, why do you think people don’t understand cults or are scared to talk about them?
“I think what Ian is saying is completely correct. I think people
underestimate how powerful cults are when it comes to recruitment. So,
if we take the Children of God for example, who still exist today or
even back when I was a teenager, they operated in African countries
under fake names. They had humanitarian organisations with completely
different names to the Children of God or Family International which
they are now called. They’d be out there – these homes with all these
young couples with kids, aged 20 to 30, all living together, having a
great time, doing all this humanitarian work.”
many young people who would bump into them it would be like ‘why, this
is amazing, I could do something with my life, I can help others and
help save the world!’ But behind all of that is a completely different
story. Once you get pulled in through that exciting new world very
quickly the trap closes and you find out that actually you only saw the
tip of the iceberg here – now you’re going to see the real deal. But by
then, it’s usually too late. You’re completely sucked in and it’s very
difficult to get out after that.”
“Like Lynne was
saying – voicing doubts… Anyone who dares to voice doubts even at the
beginning, either they’ll be completely rejected or punished. In a
psychological way it’s a means of control and is a warning to other
members that you cannot contradict the leadership. So, often in the
Children of God for example, people who were considered severe doubters
would be separated from their spouse or their children…”
thing I talk about in my book is when my mother dared to defend one of
her children who was being very harshly physically disciplined by other
aunties and uncles in the home, and she dared to say something against
it and was sent to Chelyabinsk for six months when she was pregnant…”
radiation, minus forty degrees – she was being taught a lesson by the
leadership that this is what will happen to you and we can keep you
there if we want to and we can send you somewhere else and you may never
see your children again. And this was as much a lesson to my father,
who was left behind as ‘you better keep your wife in check.’ So it’s all
these psychological things, but all done in a very, how do you call
LW: “It’s for your own good.”
“Yes, it’s for your own good. This is the Lord trying to teach you a
lesson. This is good for you, this is good for your family, it will make
you a better disciple, etc.”
What is like when you speak to the families?
“They’re devastated… It’s like a living bereavement. If that person is
still in the group and there’s all sorts of conflicting advice about
whether you should try and get the child out, they normally have an
incredibly hard time making contact – someone else will answer the phone
or they’re not around. They just don’t know what to do. They are at a
loss… Sometimes that child, their green light will come on and they’ll
come out and have some counselling or something. But I know several
families who have had sons and daughters in for years and I think, I
don’t know if this is right Ian, but isn’t it true that the longer
they’re in, the less likely it is that they will come out – is that
IH: “Not as far as I’m
concerned. Some people do say that, you’re quite right. I’ve never said
that. Some have said in the past that after a particular point in time,
that’s it. But I’ve never seen any kind of need for saying that. I’ve
known people who have come out of cults after 30 years and have fully
Is it possible for everyone to recover? Have you found your recovery path through writing a book was therapeutic Natacha?
“Definitely! Writing the book was the final step in my healing process,
but I’ve been out of the cult for twelve years now and it’s taken that
long. It’s like Lynne was saying earlier, the process of manipulation
for someone who joins a cult is stripping down that personality and
replacing it with this cult personality. But when you’re born into a
cult, you never have the chance to form that personality at the start.
So the road to recovery and the first big question is – who am I? What
is my personality? You don’t even know who you are as a person! What
kind of clothes do I like to wear? What’s my style? Everything has to be
learned from scratch about yourself and then after that you can start
properly healing. But it takes years and it’s taken me years to go
through that, and finally get to a point where I actually know who I am
and I’m comfortable with it. I can move on…”
you had a chance to speak to those people who are on the cusp of
wanting to change, who are in the same cult you were in, what would you
NT: “…I’d say that I know
how scary it is to even contemplate facing a world that you’ve never
known or that you’ve lost touch with for many years. But once you get
out there you realise that there’s actually nothing to be afraid about
and that there’s actually a lot of people who understand. And who won’t
judge you! And I think that’s a big thing! Especially people who have
joined a cult voluntarily – they feel like somehow no one’s going to
understand, they’re going to blame me, they’re going to think I was
stupid, that I deserve whatever happens to me. People don’t see it like
that. There are plenty of professionals out there and institutes like
the Cult Information Centre that are there to help! And they understand
and know that you’re victims, you’re not actually thinking in your right
mind. So, it’s really not judging yourself and accepting that you are a
victim and you need help… I think that’s the biggest difficulty for
IH:” There is another thing
here and that is, it’s not the best thing to put on your CV when you’re
looking for a job. That’s one of the problems here because there are a
lot of high-profile people who are ex-cult members who would not dare do
what Natacha’s bravely doing, and talk about their story.”
know a senior partner in a major law firm in this city who is an
ex-cult member. And I know other people in other similar institutions,
and there are teachers and there are doctors who are ex-cult members.
It’s not something you really want to broadcast because you might lose
some clients, if not all of them…”
“And yet, there are, as Natacha says, lots of people who are aware of the phenomenon and help is available.”
Do the right people seem to understand the level of exploitation of this mind abuse?
“No, I don’t believe they do. The mental health profession is sorely
lacking in an understanding of this phenomenon. There used to be one
psychiatrist in Britain that was really good and could help just about
anybody. Sadly she died about five years ago. There is another
psychiatrist now that is up on this, but because she works on the NHS
she can only deal with clients in a limited geographic area. There are
very-very few mental health professionals that begin to understand the
phenomenon but there are a small handful of people that do.”
are a couple of people with a background in psychology that are very
good at counselling people and they work inside our field and the
academic world as well. There are a couple of other people who
specialise in counselling cult victims and they’re trained counsellors
and they’re very good. But still, as a country, we’re really lacking in
understand this phenomenon and are way behind the rest of Europe,
you said the phenomenon, it is estimated there are five hundred to a
thousand cults [operating in Britain], what numbers would you quote?
“You’re quoting the figures that I would use and I am accused of being
conservative and I prefer to be that… But it’s a growing problem and it
is getting worse. Hopefully, it’s not as bad as it would be if there
weren’t voices like ours – that’s a hard thing to measure.”
think if people started to recognise that cults are here to stay and
there’s a tremendous need to be a lot more discerning and just simply
“People spend a lot more time checking out a
new car than they do checking out a group that they may be interested
in getting involved with. A new car may break down but if it’s a cult,
you’ll be the one breaking down. It’s a completely different ballgame
and a very serious one.”
Finally, why do you think it might be getting worse?
“I’m not sure why but I think an awful lot of groups seem to be setting
up on the back of these health and wellbeing groups, and yoga groups.
Every single newspaper has a massive great health section full of this
‘neo new age’ sort of stuff. I’ve seen within that a growth of abusive
one-on-one relationships. Not a situation where a person gets sucked
into a group but where one person targets another and usually ends up
taking a vast amount of money from them. They usually target people who
have a vast amount of wealth.”
“I’ve interviewed three
or four people who have been in that situation. I don’t know… Maybe it
is the breakdown of religion and people not going to church anymore,
family breakdown but more importantly, there’s nothing really to stop
them. It’s unregulated – there isn’t a body that actually has any clue
and that can monitor these groups.”
“We are behind the
rest of Europe! Awareness is just incredibly low. I guess politically
it’s not a vote winner. It affects a relatively few number of people and
politicians don’t take the long-term view do they, they take the next
IH: “For me there are two
issues here. One is, statistically if each person that’s recruited
becomes a recruiter and recruits four or five other people and that’s a
minimum, then cults are bound to grow at a tremendous rate, and they do…
But the other side of it is that as cults continue they become
wealthier and wealthier and they get the best lawyers in the cities and
there are lots of stories we give to the media that don’t see the light
of day. The journalist gets paid but it’s not published because people
don’t want to get sued. So that’s another aspect.”
“There is a control and there is an influence on the media, and that’s most unfortunate.”
there a real lesson that you’ve learned that you would like to impart
or you think society as a whole would benefit from, especially in
Britain, where as Ian and Lynne say it’s very beneath the radar, with
tightly controlled media that is influenced by highly paid law firms who
are able to represent these new religious movements – what would your
lasting comments be?
think one of the big issues is people being afraid to trample on
religious freedom. There’s a fine line between overanalysing every
religious group – is it a cult, is it not, and where we are now – where
cults can operate so easily. Lynne was talking about new age groups and I
think it is one of the rising areas that cults will take advantage of,
to be able to recruit people. And it’s not a new thing! If you look back
at the Order of Solar Temple not so long ago who ended with something
like seventy suicides… They recruited exactly the same way! So Luc
Jouret – one of their two leaders, used to hold these conferences on
alternative medicine and new age healing methods and that’s how he
recruited a lot of very rich and very powerful people. I think it’s what
people need to be very aware of – a group or a person who just seems
overly caring, if you’re going through a difficult time or you’re
feeling lonely or you just had a loss, and you meet a group or several
people where there’s that instant ‘we love you, you are one of us’, and
I’m not saying that everyone should be paranoid or wary because the
world wouldn’t be a very nice place, but sometimes something that is too
good to be true is really too good to be true.”
think awareness is the most important thing. That is what all of us here
are trying to do and there’s a long road to go before we get to a place
where people are actually aware of these dangers, are looking out for
them and not falling into the trap…”
to lead the Legion after Maciel was forced to step down by the Vatican circa 2005.
Naturally, we should not speak ill of the dead. But may the Good Lord forgive us for continuing to speak the truth.
Alvaro was chosen by Maciel, Alvaro, who had been cultivated by Maciel from an early age, traveling to Ireland from adolescence under Maciel's tutelage, was chosen by the man he adored as a founding member for the Regnum Christi male branch. When Maciel needed a docile priest for the Legion, he promoted Alvaro de the priesthood.. Alvaro, because of Maciel's protection/promotion, always had leadership posts in the Legion. He was what Maciel would call "un tonto util" Alvaro was putty in the hands of the pedophile founder and would always be at his beck and con. Alvaro would do anything for Fr. Maciel. Maciel assigned sweet Alvaro to cultivate the friendship of Pope John Paul II's personal secretary, Mon. Dziwisz with adulation and gifts. Pope Paul's secretary was the one who did not let any negative news of the Legion and its Founder reach the pope's desk and so staved off investigation of Maciel for decades. Until Ratzinger became pope.
A Spanish speaking writer had this to say about Fr. Alvaro
¿De qué le sirve al hombre ganar los privilegios de Maciel si pierde su
alma? La vida de AC muestra la tragedia del macielismo: un gran talento
que podía haber hecho mucho bien a las almas y a la Iglesia ha sido
malgastado en vivir de fachadas y mentiras, engañando y dañando a
numerosas vocaciones y personas de bien, encadenado en una demoníaca
deformación de conciencia invencible que equiparaba la adoración a Dios
con la adoración a Maciel y a su obra. Recemos porque Dios tenga
misericordia de él, considerando que desde la infancia, inocentemente,
fue subyugado por la pederastia y el fraude de MM.:
Does Pope Francis trust the Legion to Reform itself?
Vatican to name new adviser to oversee Legion
Article by: NICOLE WINFIELD
June 24, 2014 - 8:00 AM
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican next week will name a new
adviser to help oversee the Legion of Christ religious order in the
latest sign that Pope Francis doubts the Vatican's three-year reform
experiment has resolved all the problems in the troubled congregation,
officials said Tuesday.
Francis has kept the Legion at arms'
length since he inherited the reform project launched after the Legion
admitted in 2009 that its founder sexually abused his seminarians and
fathered three children.
Francis has yet to meet with the new
superior and didn't send a message to the congregation when it met
earlier this year to chart its new course, as he has done with other
congregations. The Vatican insisted on naming two members of the
Legion's new governing body and during his recent trip to Jerusalem,
Francis skipped a luncheon planned by the Legion and ate instead with
The current superior, the Rev. Eduardo Robles
Gil, said in a video posted Monday on a Legion-affiliated website that
the Vatican's congregation for religious orders was expected to announce
details about the external "assistant" during a meeting with the
leadership July 3.
He stressed that the Legion's governance would
remain "autonomous" but that the Vatican was providing "a special
assistance" as the congregation moves forward with implementing reforms.
Legion spokesman, the Rev. Benjamin Clariond, said it wasn't clear what
the adviser's mandate would be, but noted that the order still faces
some daunting challenges, including figuring out a legal structure for
its lay group, Regnum Christi.
Pope Benedict with the then Superior General, Fr. Alvaro Corcuera. Present Superior General is a companion of Fr. Alvaro, Fr. Eduardo Robles Gil; both are from the founding group of Mexican Regnum Christi "consecrated males" (mostly from the Anahuac University) who were promoted by Fr. Maciel to the priesthood.
POPE BENEDICT XVI DECIDED TO SALVAGE THE LEGION
From the official documents of the Extraordinary General Chapter of the Legion of Christ, Jan-Feb 2014
Statement about the Path of Renewal
“From this point of
view, we have considered the reprehensible and objectively immoral behavior of
Fr. Maciel, which merited the sanctions that, at the time, the Congregation for
the Doctrine of the Faith justly imposed on him. Our founder died in 2008. We ask
God to have mercy on him. At the same time, we want to express our deep sorrow
for the abuse of minor seminarians, the immoral acts with men and women who
were adults, the arbitrary use of his authority and of material goods, the
indiscriminate consumption of addictive medicines and the act of presenting
writings published by third parties as his own. We find the incongruity of
presenting oneself as a priest and a witness of the faith continuously for
decades while hiding this immoral behavior to be incomprehensible.
We firmly condemn this.
We are grieved that many victims and other affected persons have waited so long
in vain for an apology and an act of reconciliation on the part of Fr. Maciel.
Today, we would like to issue that apology as we express our solidarity with
“These events and
situations could have done away with our religious Congregation had we not been
accompanied by God’s mercy and the Church’s maternal care, which found
expression in the resolute interventions of His Holiness Benedict XVI.”
Looks like a whacky throwback to the Middle Ages
approved by pope JP II
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammo!
Here is Wikipedia For all its wackiness their female branch, Regina Virginum (Queen of Virgins), seems to be in better canonical shape than the Regnum Christi.
Just like the Legion of Christ and the Regnum Christi its charism is very creative and unheard of(?):
The (Pontifical approval) decree goes on to state that the society is characterized by the
defense of orthodoxy, purity of customs and the spirit of hierarchy, “as
well as the desire to rekindle in humanity the distinction between good
The Heralds of the Gospel is an International Association of Pontifical Right, the first established by the Holy See in the third millennium, on the liturgical feast of the Chair of St. Peter, February 22, 2001.
Consisting mainly of young people, this Association is established in
78 countries. Its members practice celibacy, and are entirely dedicated
to apostolate, living in separate houses designated for young men and
young women. Their life of recollection, study and prayer alternates
with evangelizing activities in dioceses and parishes, with special
emphasis placed on the formation of youth.
The spirituality of the Heralds of the Gospel is based on three essential points: The Eucharist, the Virgin Mary and the Pope.
These points are represented in the emblem that distinguishes them. The
three devotions can be seen in the symbol of the Heralds of the Gospel.
Symbol of the Heralds of the Gospel
Their charism leads them to strive for perfection, while always searching for the pulchritude in all their daily actions.
Seeing in culture and art efficacious tools of evangelization,
the Heralds of the Gospel characteristically place special emphasis on
both choral and instrumental music. Hence, the Heralds have formed
various choirs and symphonic bands to bring their message of faith,
incentive and confidence to today’s humanity.
The principal musical ensemble of these neo-evangelizers – the
International Choir and Symphonic Band – was started in São Paulo with
members united from diverse nations. This musical ensemble has traveled
numerous cities, states, countries and continents, giving presentations
in churches, auditoriums and stadiums full of people thirsting for
beauty and spirituality.
Societies of Apostolic Life
As a further development of the charism, the family of the Heralds of the Gospel gave rise to two societies of apostolic life.
Virgo Flos Carmeli the priestly branch of the Heralds was born in 2005
with the ordinations of the first 15 priests, including the founder of
the Heralds of the Gospel. Regina Virginum the Feminine Branch was born
later on Christmas of the same year. Both societies received papal
approval in 2009, becoming a clerical society of apostolic life of
pontifical right and a feminine society of apostolic life of pontifical
"Arising from within the Heralds of the Gospel, and sharing the same
values, the two new societies of apostolic life, however, have distinct
natures. Virgo Flos Carmeli – “Virgin Flower of Carmel”, in English – is
characterized as a clerical society, in other words, consisting mainly
of priests, while the society of apostolic life Regina Virginum – “Queen
of Virgins” – is formed by women.
According to the Vatican decree, Virgo Flos Carmeli “is born amidst a
loving and pertinacious catechesis on the Church and the Roman Pontiff,
as well as respect for the importance of sacralization, to the greatest
extent possible, of the values of temporal life.”
Virgo Flos Carmeli
The decree goes on to state that the society is characterized by the
defense of orthodoxy, purity of customs and the spirit of hierarchy, “as
well as the desire to rekindle in humanity the distinction between good
and evil (...).” Virgo Flos Carmeli was founded by Msgr. João
Scognamiglio Clá Dias, E.P., founder and president of the Heralds of the
Gospel, and was erected by the then Bishop of Avezzano, Italy, the Most
Rev. Lucio Angelo Maria Renna, on June 15, 2006. The development of the
Heralds of the Gospel, presently active in about 70 countries, led to
the formation of the priestly branch and the later constitution of the
Clerical Society. Afterward, the Most Rev. José Maria Pinheiro, Bishop
of Bragança Paulista, where the Motherhouse of the Society is presently
located, requested Pontifical approval of Virgo Flos Carmeli from the
Pope. Regina Virginum, for its part, had its approval signed on April
26. According to the Vatican decree, the Society of Apostolic Life of
Pontifical Right, also founded by Msgr. João Scognamiglio Clá Dias,
“arose as an expression of the charism of the Heralds of the Gospel,
applied to the specific conditions of feminine life, striving to
manifest its own characteristics in a particular way within the